Call is when IBM question GB about his pension. IBM realise GB has been working and question him. GB does not know who has spoken to IBM. JE is aware who might have gone to IBM and JE himself never went to IBM until 19th July 2019. GB states if it's not me (JE) then there's two others. GB is trying to get JE to grass up the person. JE doesn't want to. 1:50 GB states he's taken £40'000 of loans for himself (from offshore) 3:30 Asssume I've fallen out with everyone. GB knows he's hated. 3:45 JE says RS might know about it. GB confirms and seems to then think it's RS. Tries to delfect it as SNE. 5:00 SNE aware GB not allowed to earn money. 5:15 RS because the biggest grudge. 6:30 AV has not been paid - So who at GCV has been paid? 8:15 JE if it was me I wouldn't reached back out to GB 9:00 RS was still around 10:00 GB says he will go for RS 10:40 GB admits wrong. GB didn't act because of blackmail. 11:45 JE states if recorded tit can be proof that JE didn't go to IBM as of 20th March 2019